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In the spirit of discussion and analysis, I would like to respond to something posted a few days ago that I've been meaning to address. Forgive me if I write a book as I have a tendency to ramble.

Yet she always seemed to need to HEAR him say it.Hear him admit it.I think he admitted it with his actions toward her loud and clear.It always bothered me that he had to say it.To me she should have just accepted his gestures for what they were,and given him the time to come around to being able to say it in his own time.

I think she needed to hear him say it as much for his sake as for hers. It's all part of what makes early J&J such a magnificent story.

Jennifer knew Jack loved her. She may have had some doubts around the time they shared their first kiss but she was a smart girl. I think she read his actions as well as we did/do. The problem with actions is they are not a relationship. Knowing someone loves you is different than being in a loving relationship. Just as Jack wanting to be with Jennifer is different than actually being with her. Making Jack voice his feelings was about more than confirming what she knew. She didn't need him to say it to know. Look no further than her willingness to sleep with him even without him admitting it. I don't think Jennifer would have done that with someone she wasn't sure loved her. She didn't even need Jack's "You know." She needed him to say the words because making him say the words pulls him out of his denial. It takes away one of his last defenses even if it's a defense that no one believes. For Jack, allowing himself to be vulnerable enough to say the words would mean he's vulnerable enough to commit to a relationship. And Jennifer knew that. Without his willingness to commit, she's really got nothing. She can't force him into a relationship.

You know, I usually lack patience with stories where the woman chases the guy. There comes a point where I want to scream "woman, have some pride" and it ruins the whole thing for me. There have been only two stories where I never reached that point. The second one was Simon and Katie on ATWT (and there were a lot of J&J fans in that fanbase.) J&J, of course, being the first. As much as Jennifer chased Jack, I have to credit the show for never making her seem pathetic. She openly acknowledged she shouldn't be giving him aas many chances as she did. Sometimes she would push him but more often than not she'd give him a dirty look after he protested and walk out. The show also took great care in showing just how fragile his denial was. There were numerous times he was about to throw caution to the wind before external forces would pull him back from the happiness ledge. If it wasn't his own conscience, it was Emilio. If it wasn't Emilio, it was Melissa. If it wasn't Melissa, it was Harper. We knew that all Jennifer needed to get Jack to go where they both wanted to go was for Jack to reach a moment of acceptance without ghosts from his past making him remember why he shouldn't.

That's why it took the Cruise of Deception for J&J to happen. If I recall correctly, there were no naysayers on that boat. In fact, they even had a few champions. Jennifer was able to argue her case and Jack finally crossed over with no one around to pull him back. All those negative forces were stuck in Salem. Interestingly enough, looking back, it's no surprise that they hit a rocky patch soon after. In some ways it was too soon for them. (Not for me, mind you, but for them. :) ) They were living the fantasy life but Jack still hadn't learned how to cope with the issues that were keeping them apart. His willingness to let himself be happy was still very fragile. And that's why Jennifer took so long to tell him about the rape. She knew how he'd react. She'd seen it. And she was right.

Told you I'd talk a lot ;) Basically, forcing Jack to tell her how he feels keeps Jack connected to the relationship. When he started feeling unworthy, that's when he'd usually flat out refuse to to say the words. The show's consistency with this is why this story stands the test of time.

On another note.I LOVED Lawrence.

Me too. In fact, while I didn't like Carly as a friend to Jennifer I absolutely loved Lawrence and Carly. There were so many reasons why I shouldn't. Deep down I knew it was somewhat wrong and twisted but I didn't care.